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Now, Meitei body comes out against proposed Kuki map
IMPHAL, Dec 8 : Coming out strongly against the proposed Kuki map issued by the Kuki State Demand Committee, the International Meeteis Forum has categorically asserted that before the British came to Manipur, there was no such term as Kuki in Manipur.
Addressing the media at Manipur Press Club, the founding members of the Forum, RK Rajendra, RK Gopalsana, W Bhumeshwor, S Samananda and Th Gogon-bihari said that the demand for a Kuki State is preposterous as historically they never owned any land in Manipur.
The Kukis, as they are now known here, migrated to Manipur from Myanmar, then Burma, they asserted and added that the Kukis started streaming into Manipur in 1855 from Burma and by 1881 their population stood at a mere 8180.
Now how has the Kuki population increased to about 8 lakhs that they should now deem it fit to raise a homeland demand, questioned the Forum members.
The original settlers of the land are the Meitei, Tangkhul, Kabui Zeliangrong, Maram, Paomei, Koireng and Meitei Pangal, they said and added that all the original settlers should push back the latter entrant. Differences amongst the original settlers can be settled mutually, they said.
Tracing the history of Manipur, the Forum members claimed that Manipur was at one point of time the capital of a much bigger territory known as Mackley. This was during the time of Maharaj Garibniwaj and this can be verified from the gold coins inscribed with the name Makleswar Maharaj Garibni-waj and Rani Gomti, the then queen.
Claiming that the then Mackley territory extended up to the South Sea bordering Yunan in China, the Forum members added that it also stretched up to Brahmaputra.
Assam was a small kingdom at that time, they claimed and added that there were no places called Nagaland or Mizoram then.
Not too long back, Kohima was under the territory of Manipur and it was known as Thibomei, claimed the Forum members.
Asserting that the term Sadar Hills has been cooked up with an ulterior design, the Forum said that Sadar is a term coined by the British for their administrative and security convenience.
Sadar stands for Selected Area Development Administrative Region (SADAR), they said and added that from Sadar village it was turned into Sadar Hills. Even in Imphal there was a Sadar bazar, which is now Paona keithel, they claimed.
Quoting figures from a local newspaper, the Forum said that from 1961 to 2011, the number of villages in Kuki area has increased to 818. Even in the valley area, Kuki settlers have increased in 67 localities.
On the other hand there has been no increase in the case of Meitei settlement.
Suggesting that 1951 be set as the cut off year, the Forum members said that latter migrants should be deported to Myanmar.
On the assertion and which was published in the December 1 issue of The Sangai Express, that two Kuki chiefs, Chothe Ahong-ba and Kuki Achouba helped Chothe Thangwai Pakhangba to ascend the throne of Manipur in 33 AD, the Forum said this is misleading. There were no Kukis in Manipur in 33 AD, they said and added that Chothe Thangwai Pakhang- ba was not a King nor a person. According to the Puya, this term is a designation.
Stating that the Forum firmly endorses the stand taken up by organisations like AMUCO, UCM and others to protect the territorial integrity of Manipur, the Forum said that the time has come for AMSU, DESAM and other Meitei organisations to determine a cut off year for the Kukis.
Harmony
The forum is going 2 deep,i expect the result in the hole will be tiny. If they really mean,nagaland,mizoram etc should also be fought to be brought back as manipur territory
Peace Haokip
This is not the rite time to claim manipur as meiteiland,nagaland or kukiland...instead time to stand inside one umbrella....and strive for our future generation..let No politics reveal in our Sanaleipak(Manipur...Please my dear lovely Brother and sister..anyone who were born in manipur is our land...Let Peace reveal in a future...and make sure no such type of barbaric comment show on this page...thankyou..
Rov Meetei
Ha... Ha.. Ha... finally Meitei/Meetei pundits are also caught in the mapping mania? I understand and respect the sentiments, but I will definitely be the last man to appreciate such a hurly burly drawn map of this magnitude to solemnise in the recent Kuki-Naga maps market. Are Meiteis/Meeteis part of the Kuki-Naga mapping axis? Our history is what we are today and no one can concoct it for their ulterior ends. Each and every part, life and times of Meitei/Meetei civilization was interlaced in the recorded histories of South Asia and South East Asia and available charts,maps,graphs, designs, drawings of past relationships in the respective countries today are testimony to it. Check out any historical maps collection in the online libraries of major Indian and international universities, one can easily empathise with the substantive boundaries of our historical past. It was all real and recorded precious historical documents, not splashing some colours and lines to indicate it as a map like the ones shown now and then these days by our other Manipuri brethrens. Of course, we don`t possess all that big boundaries today, for all the reasons that everyone knows. But it does not mean that our historical facts are fakes. One could have shown a map that does justice to our history with proper scales and dimensions, not something that Kuki-Naga map makers will be laughing about or could be suggesting them to draw many more maps to their hearts content. Anyways, please do not compete in any fallacious mapping exercises, as there will be no winner in this losers game.
karan
i am with peace Haokip..why don't we all stay together instead of dividing into different part.. Manipur is a very small state and it is also well know for its beauty. so why done we make our own state and make it as a tourist place like other does...its time to think for our future generation.....
inmternational shing
International meitei forum ? what a name founded for all this now even attacking your 2000 years history? you are inviting unrest in manipur.
s luwang
Now-a-days every one talke about our share in each and every field which ever we think we can get by force or anyother means which is not right.People always became the puppet toys in the hand of those who are practicing dirty politics (centre and state govt.) We have known how to dismantal a state to have a firm grips over it.. .its easy in the ethnic line to attack,but those are in the british colonial era. .we are in 21st century and our people are still unaware. . the old proverb "united we stand,divided we fall " still applies.
Jugindro Akoijamba
Please delete the words 'Meetei Pangals' as the early settlers of Manipur!
bridging
We may argue that everyone has the right to table their views but then there are such thing as right time. The timing seem little out of place bcas its the time to reconcile among us and not to create further division. migration is not an issue here. We r all migrated here sum later n sum much erlier no time to make someone refugee n someone original. lets think about integrating different community and thing like this may not help
Kb
It just a story like - a guest staying in ur house for many years and using ur kitchen, toilet, etc, and landlord passed away. Then the guest started to urge and annouce that i m the owner of these house.but he doesnt realise that the landlord had son and grandson to look after the house. So beware of such guest in future.
lyunn
You (IMF) will have to Fight to the last man if you really want to push back...but where?? The Kuki will continue to live in our own country no matter strong force invade us. We will resist and defence our forefather hunting ground. The Kuki right on land cannot be sabotage by mere threthening cos we will stood by the fact and evidence as recorded and preserved worldwide.
watcher
A bigger Map.and how could pangal be there .Did pangal pay bribe to u meetei.Meetei now dnt have any fren so they want pangal to fight with them ,,,oooo pangal were mercenary to fight for the king
Nanao
Why meitei walk-up just now? Dont bark at the back of the elephant. if you want to bark try to bark in front of the elephant. Anyway, try to protect your territory from refugees else you are the one who gonna leave your motherland, ema sana leibak.
manipur
manipur is nobodies land or everybodies land. meiteis may xpand their kingdom far beyond the present boundary but who helps in achieving those feats. todays kukis n nagas though these nonomenclature are of recent origin. those eras r gone and meiteis cannot reclaim back. insted of glorifying past, its better that we concentrate at present, looks the problems and circumstances, device some humane approach to dilute seperate homeland demands and ask government to bring equal development irrespective of hills and plains, and provide equal opportunity irrespective of which tribes he/she belong. we expect meiteis to take leading role in shaping manipurs future and help towards bringing unity among various tribes.
Kim Tungnung
The so called Kangleipak/ Manipur 10% occupied by majority Meetei and the remaining 90% occupied by Kuki-Naga.
sentiment
Monkey evicting land lord? Are you inviting a bloody civil war? U might actually unite the indiferenc in kuki. If then, you won't be able to handle...
More evidence coming up... hahaha
Unlocking Historical Facts of the the Kukis..! Non nonsensical Kuki scholars and writers have been talking about the history of Kuki people claiming that they were settled in the present territory since time immemorial, which in fact is a dream that never comes true. Why Kukis so so stupid enough to claim which is not existed in the past? Do you Kukis think that you can rewrite the history? Shame of you You Kuki scholars, writers and professors or intellectuals...!
Naga
The historical map of Manipur in 1814 is even more bizarre than the map of kukiland. The meiteis keep on harping about the self created fictitious glory past.They have failed to separate the fairytales/ folklores and the actual past. If we go by our folktales , we also have stories that the whole world was ruled by our ancestor was upon a time.hahaha...
Lamminthang Haokip
I really love what is said.haha I thnk the meitei international forum is trying to appease the so call kacha naga.haha Devide and rule. I think the other way round. The MIF included the nagas as they were under their rule. Now they are the one who claim their written history as fake. If the written history of kukis helping the metei king is fake then what about the rest???????? Are those all fake n all the manipur history fake?? Beware we KUKIS are not united but if someone act against us only then we are united. I think the only solution now is war. N if all of us continue like this it will happen believe me. Then we all know who will be responsible for those innocent bloods that will be shed.
maisnam
meitei historians at last...!!!! wow!!! sangai express must be selling a lot now a days, very interesting to follow historians from nagas, kuki and finally meitei...i expect pangals and mayangs to make their stand also in this regard...yong na tan yenba dumaina hindustan na yellaga loshinkhi niko!!!
bobby
mentally sick peoples..poison by dirty politics..wash ur brain. dont let others to brainwash u. idiot 'we'...meitei..naga..kuki..we are FOOL..aren't we. ?
Thanga Dims
If the new settlers are to be driven away by the old ones in the world, the whole of northern India, for example, have to be vacant, and only the south will stay, since the australoids and dravidians are the early setllers in India. But that is something next to impossible. Likewise in Manipur, of course some group might be the earlier settlers than others, but being a citizen of India/Manipur, everyone/section has the right to socio-economic and political prosperity/development as enshrined under Indian Constitution. In that case they too have the right to demand for the same too. But if you always try to link all this upheavals with the mythological pasts, it is unrelevant, coz we are not refering about the past or histories per se, but we are committed to something good for all in the future. Mind you. We Kukis are in Manipur not by our choice, only the British boundary demarcation made us so. We wanted to rule by ourselves, so we fought against the British. Since than we already were already attached to our present lands. We are also ever ready to fight for it. But most of all, we choose peace, mutual-respect and equal development to all sections in our willy-nilly habitat, Manipur.
mlainboithadou
If wemention about migration if I not mistakes most of them are from some place, even some Kuki may from Burma why meitei have land in Burma..
Thangcha Doungel
As posted above I also think y KUKI scholars never claim they were in manipur from time immemorial. But luckily I found out that we do not need to do so because the history of meitei kings and the written records of colonial writers were enough proof. I thik nagas and meteis denied the facts and try hard to suppress the kukis is just because they look down upon us. U know even a blund knife seems to be sharp if u use it to cut bananas. thats whats happening upon the kuki's today. We are no more stupid. N I also recommend the nagas and meiteis to post ill things and fake history to deny the history. who knows this might act as a factor to unite my kuki brethens. I can feel the uniting force within kukis which was long gone, coming back slowly among the kukis when they are denied about their past glory by some meeteis and nagas. Also thank you all to nagas and meteis for awaking the kukis who were asleep. The more u deny the more we regain the memories. Thank you all.
Roshanikumar
Who is the person talking about kukiland? If u wanna ask to the people of kuki.. I think they never want. In early age British are using the devided rule to ruling over the foolish people. I want to ask to everybody that we are foolish? somebody is doing for there political benefit. Why we agree with them. Now, it is time to be answered to everyone who is doing to break our moral, united, integrity and others..just to say we are one and united.
JOSHUA
kukis are alone now. no meetei support,no naga support, no paites support, no vaiphei support, no hmar support, no mizos support. so sorry. such fate usually befalls a greedy people thats natural way of eviction.
Garngam
THE FACT OF THE KUKI HISTORY CAN NOT BE REPLACE WITH THE FAKE HISTORY written BY nscn im or meitei iMf.v r very proud to said that b hav da original cirtificate.wether u tolerate or not this is ours.
kaymah
Hey people out there,i think lessons of the saga of the kings n queens is already a past tense.Look,wats the maxim differences amongst the meiteis,kukis and nagas.If dissecting the smallest differences is going to b the basis of unity.Lo!! we can just imagine who is going to b left out.And from where did this most irresponsible imf of the so claimer of big brother status came.Honestly i aint for any communal line.BUT.....u know,considering da suggestion n style/approach of caste society, Unity of the Tribals seems to be called.Wake up Tribal Brothers.
Mr. Kuki
@IMF stop non-sense. There was no RajKumar or bihari before in the Meitei society before too... Stupid guys.
James
So what if Kukis are from Burma? The kingdom of Burma once stretched even upto Manipur. Don't the Meeteis remember that their king was chased away when Manipur came under the kingdom of Ava? Manipur belongs to the Kukis.
Divider
Kuki and der joke is killing me... 1st sub-division, nxt district, nxt state, nxt country, nxt continent, nxt planet, nxt the universe???
Soun paite
Ha3...barking...barking...imf,wel done. If thangwai pakhang-ba was a designation i agree wth that but who hold dat title. The holder was made king wt the help of KUKI ACHOUBA and CHOTHE, do more researchs to knw da facts. If u say this PUYA is fake,u r fake meeiteis. I request u to maitian ur reputation and dnt try to twist historical facts. Wake b 4 the world cal u IDIOTS MEEITEI FORU.
Nohkhopao
My QUESTION to all right thinking Meiteis is.... How can a people who Migrate in 1885 can within two decades occupy almost all the Kuki Hills (the so called Manipur Hills) and fight the British for three years in a stretch from all these hills? You should not forget that with all your might you fought the British for just one day. If you all have is words to hurt Kukis, what we can say is.... "The Meiteis are just fishes in a pond". Nothing more. Your History recorded in Puyas were already burnt during your Hinduisation, called the PUJA MEITHABA. What is left is your own construct history.
haokip
Imf...ha3...barking2, wel don. Imf,i agree wit that thangwai pakhangba-ba was a designation,u mus knw dat this disignation was hold by one man. KUKI ACHOUBA N CHOTHE help dis man to become king,not thangwai pakhangba(disignation). I wnder hw this reputed intellectuals cnt understand this. If stick on saying puja is fake fake,u r a bunch of fake meeiteis. I request u to be more carefu b 4 the worl cals u IDIOTS MEEITEI FORUM.
Lamminthang Haokip
@Joshu wha you said is really true. You got an argument with your brother after lunch, but when ur mother calls you for dinner you again sit together for dinner. I thnk u know what I meant. Please look beyond manipur. N u shuld see papers from mizoram too. Never under estimate someone.
unity
saying or writing such thing doesnt mean they enjoy the suport of the community they claim to represent. communal tone either coming from meiteis or kukis or nagas doesnt deserve support. i dont want somebody doesnt mean i should stop my children playing with somebodies sons/daughter. why dont we create good atmosphere for our future childrens.
Eaex Xai
based on the historical fact let me prove to RK Rajendra,,,,before the arrival of british in manipur there was neither the termed kuki,naga,tangkhul etc.people belonging to the same ancestral,same culture,tradition are termed as kuki whreas people wth different culture,religion as naga,even tangkhul was not a man,tangkhul was termed by the british whre most of the people in ukhrul who donot have a lingua franca for communication,the british originate tangkhul from different village of ukhrul and made tangkhul as a lingua franca for thr ukhrul people,so according to historical fact who is tangkhul meitei are talking about,tangkhul who have different dialect of different village can be traced to have different origin....RK Rajendra is just an anti-kuki who is fooling,playing,history in an immature way,we well know tat the meitei originate meiteilon from the kuki-chin language and this show very much tat the kuki are much mre present in manipur even before 33AD.When the kuki history holds good naga and meitei are playing around to turndown the kuki history,,,evevtually the naga and meitei history wrte their own history but the kuki history is based on collonial writer of the british era.
Manipur
Manipur belongs to everybody. And those who does not like the idea of united manipur, better leave Manipur and live somewhere. No one can break manipur, Its up to us to build Manipur. It's time to think and work for better future. We don't get anything by barking at one another. Love manipur and work for manipur. manipur is yours and its mine too...
Eaex Xai
are zeliangrong the original settler of manipur...lets see the evidence. The Angamis did not welcome the Zeliang people, who arrived in Naga Hills from Assam. The Khonoma Angamis therefore assaulted the Zeliangs, raping their women while the men folk were made to stand nearby and bear the lighted torch. On the strength of their relationship, the Kuki chiefs dissuaded Angamis from abusing Zeliangs. It was this humanitarian intervention that enabled more and more Zeliang population to migrate from Assam and establish their settlement in Nagaland. In the 1950s, more Rongmeis arrived from Manipur. The Zeliangs were settled in Kuki land. As owners of the land, Kuki chiefs received tax from the Zeliang tribe. In the Insoung region, tax was paid to the Kuki chief of Jolpi; in M’boulo and Boulo regions, to Kuki chief of Sailhem; in the Inkeo range, to Kuki chief of Sinjol; in the Tening range, to Kuki chief Bombal. In 1968, Kuki chief of Tolbung received from Basampui (Neisempui) tax for the last time. At a solemn ceremony it was decided that payment of tax would discontinue and the two peoples would live together as jol (traditional form of friendship). However, today, we experience a rather ungrateful attitude, which is also unsettling. Rather than show gratitude to Kukis, Zeliangs, have soiled their hands by joining Muivah and went on the rampage against Kuki, killing as many as 150 of them. That Zeliangs should treat the Kukis in such a manner is inconceivable. Muivah has managed to reduce the Zeliangs to such a dehumanized state that they are now capable of treating the Kukis this way. The Zeliangs also mercilessly burnt down 14 Kuki villages. To make matters worse, influenced by Muivah’s racist anti-Kuki ideology, their villages in Peren sub-division are subjected to a humiliating forced payment of Rupees fifty, every five years, per village, in order to acknowledge the landownership of Zeliangs!!! (Govt. Nagaland, NO.CON–7/86, countersigned by Wepretso Mero, Additional DC). This illegal act was carried out at gunpoint, and will not be countenanced by anybody. It will also be inadmissible in any court. If Zeliangs ever want to redeem their status a decent community, they must free themselves from Muivah’s manipulations.
Pupu Zou
The International Meeteis Forum (IMF) has no land in Manipur. The Non Resident Manipuri (NRM) precisely the IMF never realise where Manipur is? Manipur is only the Imphal valley, do you want the concrete proof? Here it is..... The govt of manipur shows in its actions .... every sports infrastructure and facilities are confined in Manipur i.e. Imphal valley. Every institutions for higher studies are confined in Manipur i.e. Imphal Valley .... look around and you will see where is Manipur.
taq-chapa
IMF should consider/think twice before they react to the political sentiments of the Kukis,if they so claim to be scholar and intellectual how is that Meitei Pangal an original settlers of manipur? Besides,koireng are original kukis.How could they even mis-interpret the very basics facts about kukis and promote faults propandans in the mist of the populace.Jzt a piece of advice read more about the historys of the Kukis and come-up with a genuine article nxt time. Lets all prevail..... :D
rocko
how can this meitei-pangal is the original settllers of manipur? as far as i heard they were the slave brought by the metei maharaja from the bangladesh.... and now multiplying like the rabbit in manipur valley. like unending migration of KUKIs refugees from burma. so both of them PANGAL AND KUKI SHOULD BE SEND OFF FROM WHERE THEY CAME.
kaymah
Hey,lets ponder upon something,We know da Kukis in India have not got a state of their own till today like our Naga n Meitei brothers,inspite of our every rights,But wat da hell do da meitei still think about themselve n are so lost in selfishness to da extend of patronising their exclusiveness.Though da Kukis n da Nagas have gone through bitter conflicts,still,we are not against each other in our respective fight for our Rights N respect each other Demands,we still have that side of Tribal sentiments,regards and understandings in us.What is it dat the meitei imf r trying to project to da extend of editing their history.Dear Kuki n Naga brothers if u r still lost in your own dream/path just declare it among urself n take ur own way OR Why leave da chance.I MEAN IF NOTHING SORT OF PEACE,BROTHERHOOD,LOVE N UNDERSTANDING IS INTENDED IN MANIPUR LET CIVIL WAR START,PEACE CANNOT BE BEGGED,MAINTAINED BUT ONLY CONTRIBUTED SELFLESSLY OR THROUGH WAR.
Good to be realised at Last!
Finally the Meetei intellectuals awakes & confronts Kuki, the refugees. The Meeteis should have come out much earlier even b4 kuki refugees started barking with concocted Maps & history based on hearsay just to lay a foundation to their ongoing illegitimate campaign of homeland like tamils of Sri Lanka. More Meetei Org should extend support to this org & make it more stronger to be able to make its voice get a print in international arena forget about Indian context instead of sitting a reading CHEITHAROL KUMPABA or NINGTHOUREL LAMPUBA, which was already smeared & manipulated by Hindu Pandits like Baskar Sarma, Atompapu Sarma, Laimayum Ibohal Sarma and Ningthoukongjam Khelchandra etc. The Meetei should now be less tolerant and rather be more stringent in its approach as far as safeguarding the territorial boundary of Manipur is concerned. Many Meetei lives outside & inside Manipur who would shed blood for its territorial as well as freedom. So far Meetei have confronted the Nagas, a loosed term denoting naked tribes of Manipur & present state of Nagaland(Indian made state for Naked Nagas). Now realising the dangers from backstabbing kukis and their sinister design in the backdrops of so called Naga settlement, is of paramount importance and must immediately start converting plain speaking aim & objectives to actions. We the Meetei will join and will die for it.
helen
manipur is a kukiland state.
Nonsense
My land,your land,this land,that land........Let Meetei,Nagas,Kukis fight against each other at the point of extinction and let peoples who are not kukis,nagas nor meetei own the land and let them live peacefully.....
Tahchapa
Solution to the present imbroglio: kukis settle in valley (manipur/kangleipak) should shift to kuki hills now and meiteis settling in kuki hills should be given quit notice before they encroach our lands. Now imphal valley is too congested that meiteis, with their fake histories like kacha nagas),are trying to grab our land. It's a wake up call for kukis. Let's now follow d path of extremist rather than being a moderate.
francis mate
why do the meities bring up such propaganda now, are they really threaten by the kukis? they maybe right about kukis being settling for only 200 years or so, so are they becoz it is said that manipur was once under the sea level and i seriously doubt they have been living since then.
From Far middle east
Its realls irks to see lovely Manipur being divided for no reason in the map.Manipur is all but the same with no civilization with all those chaos and disorder since I was 10.Comparing to all the remarks above, it clearly indicates that 90% of us need peace and fraternity, when everyone dwells with love and no terror. Lets learn something from other world. Nobody gains from war. Think of puting Manipur into the forefront of the world making people desiring to atleast visit the beautiful place of the Shangai..Wake up friends.
MEITEI KUKI NAGA
Yes!!!!!!! well saying by everyone like Meiteis,Kukis Nagas r ready to die for the land we clame,than why not stary the fire lets see..........who is the fitest to survive.heeeeeeee.....heeeeee....nonsense IMF reports.
kaymahgangte
AFSPA still applied in da hills/tribals area whereas its application in da imphal valley is minimised/no more applied.What a way to weaken n annihilate da tribals.You know all of da meitei UGs are active wit lots of money in da tribal/hill area only for da purpose of diverting n inviting da indian armies.why exclude imphal area.let every valley UGs stay in the valley.Lets fight for ourself from our own area,why b so coward and cunning.Like said,let da Idiot Meitei Forum come n see da meitei system of brotherhood with every evil motives behind their every actions n speechs.
what about future?
Change is the law oflife. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future. John F. Kennedy
sawm
hahah... IMF same of u.!!! plz do more research...
Lamminthang Haokip
Are all this things gonna end up just here?????? If no settlement is made in this issue it will continue forever....
Laxman moirangthem
Intead of mocking urself,it wud hv been far better if our meitei scholars,historians join hands for the noble cause.Better late than never,we should all welcome the boldness of the organisation whatsoever imperfect it may be,why not contribute ur own finding in a positive way?Meiteis no doubt had the finest qualities of a nation state among our neighbours,oh yes it is vividly inshrined in our rich literature,custume traditions,art forms which are all menifestations of a advanced nation.its the right time to set the rivivalism into motion!
The man with fact
To international meitei forum hahahaha.. If that kukis were nt even a person who help the maharaja to his crown then who wud he be..? Or are ua maharaja had a imaginery frnd. Do u thnk british invades manipur n leav without ne causes. Kukis fought against british emperor 4 sana leibak s the request of maharaja.... If maharaja can requst the kuki chief, its logical. Kukis were in manipur b4 sana leibak exist.... Dont jeoperdize ua cheap though in here.. If kukis dont exist meiteis dnt exist kip in ua mind.. U r one being helpless but pul u up by kukis...
bobby
histry of naga.histry of kuki histry of meitei..why dont we say histry of Manipur?? xxxx off those who dont want to be part of manipur even meitei will get out if they dont want to be part of this state. ok undestood !?
Leo
Wat they have written is very true......list of the original settler
Th.Lupheng
My Dear brother meitei, be gentlemen always all the time. do not worried about the political map of Kuki for Kukiland, my dear meitei should accept it b'cos Kukiland will one of the state of the kangleipak Country. or the kangleipak country should be without a single state. think twice before you opposed the the map of for kukiland.
IMF is NSCN-IM Thikotchei by Pure Meitei
RK Rajendra, RK Gopalsana, W Bhumeshwor, S Samananda and Th Gogon-bihari what were you doing when NSCN-IM draw the maps? I think you people are racist, partial, bias and do not have any brain to analyse the situations. If any untoward incidents happens, than you people should be responsible. Do not say that you represent all Meitei, because we (majority of the Meitei) do not approve your history (are you historians, damn it), or your understanding with NSCN-IM (how much commissions do you get?). During 1819-1826 (seven years devastation) all the denizens of Manipur were either killed, raped or migrated towards many places. Manipur was totally deserted. You people are also refugees from Bangladesh migrated after 1826 to Manipur. Where is your history now? All this fccking RK or Rajkumar (Burmese bastards) ruined Manipur several times before and are still ruining it. International Meeteis Forum is neither for peace nor for development of Manipur but a biased forum who speak one side of the coin only. You people are dirty minded and perpetuating 'CIVIL WAR" in Manipur. Stop it. Racist!
O Ibobi Dicker Laishram
IMF? Name is big...only made big by crazy, egoistic meiteis. Pls remember not to comment or state as historical facts on anything which is not lucidly known. Amongst various historical communities mentioned to have settled in the then Manipur, i wonder why Koms do not find a place. Perhaps, Koms & Tangkhuls were the first tribal communities to have lived side by side with the Meiteis. IMF you are just pathetic and ignorant as Dogs...Shit off.. If Manipur has now assumed more of a 'Meitei state' why not 'Nagaland' or 'Kukiland'?
Sleeping Lion
This sort of write ups going to integrate the Kukis. And you very well know what can happen when the Kukis get united. KUKIS ARE THE SLEEPING LIONS....
Scofield Tahchapa
Its a suggestion for the Meitei community; You don't have to interfere in the Nagas or Kukis issue, instead its a high time for u too to pursue on your demands of liberating your so called Kanglepak that consist of the valley districts viz. Imphal East, Imphal West, Thoubal and Bishenpur, unlike the Meties I don't think there will be any opposition on your demands. Hills of the present day Manipur belong to tribals and we don't anticipate any hindrances. Lastly its a shameful act on interfering in someone's property. Majority doesn't mean lands belongs to you Meitei. no offence, its a fact.
As a Meitei I have a Question to IMF...
How come d Pangals who were captives of war in 19th century becomes d indigenous people of manipur? what about d other tribes like Maring,thangal etc.who had been in manipur since time immemorial?
Eaex Xai
however the meitei traced/twist history,the kuki people have their own history written by colonial,no wory....
Scofield Tahchapa
What is Meitei Internation Forum? Is it an organisation formed to challenge Kukis? we have never heard of this organisation before? did they have any activities for the society before, what are their aims and objectives? or Is it a newly formed armed organisation to wage war against the Kukis? if it is so, dear it will not be as easy as think.
Thadou chapa
Haha wat do u litle meiteis knw about d vast hills ur found only in imphal..fact indeed
Intellectual
Anythng base on history is not the fact. In some cases,hearsays r better than the writtens. Y? Illeterate poor are faithful for they always speak the truth they see with their own eyes but Educated persons like you wud manipulate it for making it interesting or to pin the task on someones shoulder. Parts of the Present Manipur was Burma vis a vis.... When? (only for grown old kids like IMF & its supporters) Its ur home work. Try this home work and submit through sangai express on or befor 20th of instant.
mangcha
is it so,... how manipur is so big when we devide into small and small peace of land , i belief this would be a word the meitei call lila so i want to watch how its gona end form manipur nagaland kukiland meteiland etc...... i will give the reward whom i fell the best
Peace
Quite sad, its ain't be the solution for everyone. Whatever Kuki, Naga, Meitei...Dont Bring up ur shit comments here.. I marked u here being as a citizen of Manipur...no one can threaten the integrity of the State unless after a civil war. Think after that,u may not know,you may have fought well but if it leaves u to a pin mark marked population. everyone will lose the homeland land to Mayang..Hope u have seen the influx of Mayangs.
ningth
Finally thought to comment on the write up. It's atleast provoke so many to comment. Finally the newspapers must at its best circulation in recent times. Every community now starts drawing its own map and demands legitimate and illegitimate right for their homeland. Let's not forget the prehistory and history of course, but let's not forget how a majority should behave atleast in this contemporary turmoil situation of Manipur. What we are today, is because of our past and what we will be tommorrow will be because of how we act today. Let's be accommodating but with care. A historical blunder should not make another blunder again. We are all mongoloid speaking indo-tibetan language, having many commonalities... And threats are from mayangs ...? it's crooked politicians.?
Kikui Naga Meitei
If Nagas n Meitei keep on branding Kukis r refugees,i wonder if Nagas/Meiteis wer born directly out of earth not from their mothers.Nagas/Kukis/Meitei r of the same ethnic grps n they had moved frm smwer at different/same point of time.wherevr the settle ther was no territory apart frm the place they settle. They used to attack one another.thats why most tribal village r found at d hilltop to prevent attack.just migrating earlier n settle down in one place in present Manipur,people cannt claim the whole land belongs to them.all races have their own migration history.if its the case,can India oust the then Mughal/Muslim decendants frm India as they r d people who came to India frm Iran.try to learn to live peacefully wit all communities.if a tribal has bought land in Imphal,nobody can claim that land cos that person has become ligitimate owner.likewise the land where kukis r residing is Kuki's and the land where Nagas r residing is Naga's.why to claim Kukis r refugees or this n that.if Nagas n Meiteis can prove that they didnt migrate frm elswher bt born out of earth nt frm their mothers' xxxxxx,they can do so..Nagas do not like it when Dimasas or Karbis claim that Nagas r refugees in NC Hills and Karbi Anglong.
Lets prove it
Anybody who can accurately prove when did these people started to settle down in Manipur??? If nobody can claim please stop claiming all bullshits.. Community Year of settlement Meitei Tangkhul Mao Zeliangrong Poumai Thadou Paites Aimol Anal Maring Moyon Monshang Lamkang Chothe Kom Purum Kharam Vaiphei Simte Gangte Mate Zou Etc Etc etc PLease tell me any1 accurately....Hopeless mongers
rishi meitei
come...if u do not like to stay go away intead of demanding different homeland,see we meitei can not buy a piece of land in hilly area do u find any people who can not buy a piece of land in their own state,see who is enjoying... in manipur even i never stay properly i do not any benifit as a youg person but still i love even i can die for manipur....
oinam
Well give it to the dirty politician and will give u the result, so for now new year is comming let enjoy, no one has taken any land when they die... so all foolish who are fighting will die.....and clever ones will live in peace .. good night .....
Mr.Bean
Kuki is a virus of manipur
Makarov
A tiny little state and such enemity amongst all. Great. Meiteis- If you think you know everything about it, why didn't you step ahead much before and why now?? Kukis- If you think you can still win an utopian Kukiland, atleast bring out some good leaders (I bet you can even bring out anyone who could even speak properly, without pi**ing in your pants) Nagas- Bite yourself. You're just making a fool out of yourself. You're just like a dog, chasing a car, howling your a**es off. PERIOD.
Mongreitha
There is an overall confusion in the comments given above. We should realize that we cannot put all communities in Manipur State of Indian colony under one category. We should realize two basic levels of analysis in dealing with this complex problems in Manipur state. 1. for some, 'Political right to self-determination' is the issue. 2. to others, the issue of 'survival' which continue to haunt them, for they have lost and surrendered their sight of 'political independence', and have accepted the domination of foreign rule with some political and economic advantage promised by the imperial government over other communities. As we observe properly, we can now realize that the latter who has become a victim to foreigners i.e the imperial government of India, are now forcing the former to behave and accept, same as they were succumbed to the colonial Indian policy of delegitimizing the existence of political right to self-determination of the Small Communities in the so-called North-Eastern states of India. It is like a drunkard who mislead an innocent youths by letting them fall into the habit of drinking...when he himself knows that it is deadly and unadvisable.
My Question to IMF Leaders??????????
QUESTION TO IMF IMF leaders, if you are good historians why don’t you include Kom and Chothe among the the original settlers of the land?
Original Settler....
IMF well done... But you need to rewrite and include all the original settlers.
Vaishanavism
Dear Friends from the IMF, A very warm greetings from a Meitei Brother in US. What does Mr R.K Rajendra aim at by bringing out such useless issues publicly.? Doesn't Mr R.K Rajendra know that he himself is a Refugee in Manipur.? All R.K's in Manipur are descendants of Bengali Vaishnavites. Therefore if we have to apply the concept of Mr Rajendra here, then he should be the first to be chasen out of Manipur. Mr R.K Rajendra, Bengali Blooded, Illegal Immigrant in the soil of Manipur. If Meitei Society is free from people like Rajendra and etc etc it would be much better.
leitemba
The fact of the matter is....The Map of Naga by NSCN, The map of Kukis including Imphal Valley and Kabow valley was once the map of an ancient Manipur/Kangleipak. Anothr is the Delimitation of Manipur's boundary by the colonial British, The overriding of the Democratic Constitution of Manipur by Indian Constitution and the dissolution of Democratically elected National Assembly of Manipur of the First Democracy of South East Asia (Manipur) and lastly the gifting away of Kabow valley by Nehru. Taking these facts of matter together and the recent admission of Mr. Pillai that Manipur was the first Democracy in South East Asia... India has but only one Reason to hold on to its so called "Jewel of India" Manipur... and without which India will be Jewelless... the Reason will be... "Nagas Kukis n Meeteis cannot live together as an Independant country...they will kill each other off... India is preventing a future Genocide".... huh... a very smart move.... or is it???
merry christmas
time to put this topic into dusbin. dont take ur heart out into it. nobody is taking it seriously. merry christmass to all.
Citizen
This is the age of global village. Who came from where is not important, every indian has birth right to live in any part of india. Pls dnt forget this.
Once upon a time in Manipur....
Once upon a time in Manipur there lived a Maharaj who called himself Rajkumar (Bengali). During leisure times he used to roam around the locals, pointed his middle finger on any good looking meitei damsel. His subjects would call up the beautiful Meitei ladies and the Maharaja (RK) used to sleep with them. Then were born sons and daughters to these beautiful ladies that the RK slept with. They would then be named RK Tomba, RK Sanajaoba, RK Thoiba, RK Thoibi etc. etc. by their mothers. RK Rajendra Singh is one of them. Hence he is not a Meitei and he does not have any business to poke his Bengali nose in our internal affairs.
TP Haokip
IMF is very true in saying that Kukis are not from Manipur(Manipuris). Because Manipur was and is only Imphal valley(Imphal, Bishnupur and Thoubal) and the Kukis were never apart of Manipur Kingdom till the British forcefully occupy and put under Manipur administration. Kuki war of Independence was fought in 1917-1919 to oppose the British oppression. Yes, we, the Kukis are not from Manipur and an inch of our land(now known as Hill districts of Manipur!!) never belongs to any community. Thats what we are fighting for and will be fighting till our land is properly acknowledged. Dear friends from IMF, you guys are 100% right in saying that the Kukis are not from Manipur and YES we are from KUKI LAND/ZALENGAM not from Manipur. Leave us alone!!
peter
hahahahahaha ..KUkis should go back to Burma..@TP haokip.. 1992 clash between Naga- Kuki was created by Hoakip"s who they seems to be little educated among the Kuki's with some IPS officers with them. wel this time it's not gonna be that way we naga's have been too patience for the want of peace. But it seems we were wrong .. in peace time they are preparing for war!!! as the quotation goes " if you want peace, prepare for war" / peace time is the time to prepare for war. so calling brother n sisters is all fake, the moment you jump to claim Kuki's land you are no more brother / sister. You are given shelter when in time of need as refuges but now you come to claim as your own forgetting the master. Well then War seems to be the only solution because we can't just go on n on like having a wound the that wound make us slow down our goal better we finish it and be at peace. Everything has limit and because of some few interest people you think you have history .. i m so sorry for Kuki's are so naive hahahahahahaha good luck to ur claim but don't you dare touch an inch of my land.
Touthang
The International Meetei Forums right when they said that there were no Kukis in Manipur before the British comes. Because at that time Manipur was only the present Imphal East and West. The areas where the Kukis settled are not part of Manipur before the arrival of British. These so-called meiteis living in Imphal are not original Meiteis but mostly BENGALIS.
Kholi Kajiche Mao
Haha! Kukis the creeper. U creeped on somebodys branch and now, you try to kill your host.
JohnNgaihte
how do u expect the head hunter will have history??? and the same as those meetei who cannot cut a single tree from the hill claims that our land hehehehe Shame on YOU Sanamahi Ibungngo hahhaha
lolo
The Pangals and the so called Kukis are still encouraging their brothers from Bangladesh and Burma or from anywhere outside the Manipur to migrate to Manipur causing a serious demographic problem in Manipur. This is the origin of all the issues. We have to check this now and flush out. ILPS too should be implemented to challenge the internal aggressions.
@TP Haokip
Both so claim Kuki and Naga political entities need to leave Manipur because you r already surrender our interest to GoI. Treating you as collaborators of enemy may harm not only you but also your families. Manipur is now in war between GoI and Manipuris. We know you being coward may be hooked by enemy by some sops. How long you enjoy with the ill gotten money by betraying your brothers?
mongreitha
lets not use the term 'manipur'...no such thing as manipur existed before, the name is imperialistic. it only represents indian govts. control over native people of the land. the terms like naga land, meitei land, and kuki land will be more appropriate. moreover, we should not forget that no commmunity is a refugee in north-eastern india, except the the migrants from Bangladesh and mainland india. we cannot term communities comming from myanmar 100 years ago as refugees. we all have an inseparable cultural and historical ties with myanmar and south-east asian countries, bonded by blood-ties prior to our existence in this present land. every village was an independent entity whether meitei or naga or kuki. they all have traditional boundaries marked by hilltops and rivers and streams. and no community should interfere in the independent decision of other communities to unite and pursue their political desires. in case of kuki-naga boundary problems, the best way is to solve through negotiation from concerned communities through exchange of inhabitated areas. no community has to simply leave the land which their forefathers owned and lived, unless an equal value of the land is offered in exchange. it seems to be a fantasy...but it has to be done if they are to pursue their political goals.
@ Touthang
Touthang, pack your baggage for leaving Manipur. Either leave or live peacefully with brotherly attitude. It is your choice.
charanjan
history does not lie so its time for together to bring back peace and united manipur or meckley in the heart of manipuri....... so let forget internal dispute and move forward toward united manipur or meckley to achieve the real boundaries of manipur is the priority ......!
1234
Oooh!!!! KUKI GOLANG Don't be make dream like kandrang
R.K.Stven Mao
Who's the author of this?Does he knows well the history of Manipur and its people in the state?Why i am asking this this because he/she didn't mentioned all the original settlers...where r Mao and Poumai communities?if u want to post this kind of issues u must be aware of your state and its people,if not u r not capable.
